The Many Facets of Reclaiming Ourselves | A Self-Discovery Process

Emily Soccorsy: 00:00:00

One of the things I know I avoid is that sense of vulnerability

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that comes along with storytelling.

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That's required to get to that next loop around the, the spiral.

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I think the power of the community makes that I don't wanna use the word easier

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because it's never easy to be vulnerable.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:00:19

but it eases it a little, makes it a bit, a bit more comfortable.

Belinda Haan: 00:00:24

Oh, gosh.

Belinda Haan: 00:00:25

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:00:25

I there's so many things I wanna say here, because I just

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love women's circles so much.

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And I think power of, like you said, Emily, being able to share what's present,

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you know, even if it feels socially unacceptable in a really sacred, safe,

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to be able to do that is in itself just an act of courage and transformation,

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and also to be held in unconditional love and compassion in that space.

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And then also hearing the stories of others, which are, are also your stories

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and your stories are their stories.

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And you realize that you're not alone, that we are all connected.

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we share.

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this wild ride together.

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And I think it's an to shame because without telling those sh those

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stories, we just kind of just get stuck in this place of feeling like

Belinda Haan: 00:01:15

there's something wrong with me.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:01:17

Mm-hmm

Sonya Stattmann: 00:01:18

And, you know, and I would say that, you know, for anybody

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listening to this, if you don't have that circle of friends, like, we are

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here holding space for you, right.

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And, hopefully our stories and our perspectives help you

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feel a little bit less alone.

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Cuz sometimes it can be hard to find those circles, but they're out there.

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There's lots of people who can safely hold space for you you're worthy of that.

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If, you know, there is something deep inside of you that is yearning to be

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seen, to be known and to have expression.

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If there's something you need to reclaim and remember maybe it's your

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power or your purpose, your gifts.

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This is the podcast for you.

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Welcome to reclaiming ourselves.

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I'm your host, Sonya Stattmann and I'm honored to have three amazing

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co-hosts Laura Shook-Guzman Belinda Haan And Emily Soccorsy here with me

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on this journey to self discovery every week, we're gonna help you unravel

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and remember what it means to reclaim yourself to own who you are to recognize

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your innate worth and greatness.

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Now, this podcast is a deep dive into self-development healing and empowerment.

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So hold on.

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Here we go.

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Hey, welcome back to ourselves.

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I'm so excited that you're here.

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And just as a reminder, you can find everything you need about the

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podcast and about the cohosts at reclaimingourselvespodcast.com.

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So today is our official first.

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Panel episode.

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And what that means is we have all the co-hosts together discussing and talking,

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and it's gonna be really fun and exciting.

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And so today we're gonna kind of unpack and discuss what does

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it mean to reclaim ourselves?

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Why is this an important topic from each of our viewpoints?

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Why does it matter right now in, in this world and where we are with things?

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and so that's what we're gonna, talk to so welcome everyone.

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Hey Emily.

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Hey Laura.

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Hey Belinda.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:03:35

Hi.

Belinda Haan: 00:03:36

Hi.

Belinda Haan: 00:03:37

Mm-hmm

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:03:38

everybody.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:03:39

now the real test is being able to

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decipher who's talking, right?

Belinda Haan: 00:03:44

I think I'll be easier to, to work out.

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So I think you'll love Belinda, the Australian.

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We'll definitely hear you.

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I love that.

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All right.

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So, , maybe let's just dive in and talk a little bit about, what does

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it mean to you to reclaim ourselves?

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it's a concept, like sometimes we talk about it.

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Everybody might have a different viewpoint, but how does that feel to you?

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What does it mean to you?

Emily Soccorsy: 00:04:08

I'll jump in here.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:04:10

when the word reclaiming is just sort of put out there, I immediately go to.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:04:16

how did we get lost?

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in the first place, because it's not finding you're, it's like this reclaiming

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and the idea that we are born really whole, and we're born, I think before

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the age of four in so many fundamental ways, emotionally as, as whole people.

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So we get lost with everything that kind of comes after that.

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or.

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pushed further away.

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So I like to think about the process of, of getting lost too.

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What were the milestones?

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What were the junctions or what were the, things that covered over

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the true me that I was originally.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:04:56

I love that Emily.

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I love that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:04:59

Yeah.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:05:00

Yeah.

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It really resonate with that kind of concept.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:05:03

When you start thinking about reclaim return, remember it's like, we're

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not talking about claiming for the first time or knowing, this is.

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Known to us, ourselves.

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We're known to ourselves yet.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:05:15

We've had these moments in our life that have, um, interrupted, distracted,

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split, like taken, um, us in different directions often to protect, you know,

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a wound or something overwhelming.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:05:29

So I really, um, also think of it as, you when we reclaim we're

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:05:34

returning and we're remembering, and that's actually a beautiful

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thing that we have known ourselves.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:05:41

We are known unto ourselves already yet all of these things

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:05:45

have happened and we've somewhat like Emily's words lost our way.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:05:49

And what is it like to return?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:05:51

Hmm.

Belinda Haan: 00:05:52

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:05:53

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:05:53

I, I agree wholeheartedly with both Emily and Laura in terms of my, the

Belinda Haan: 00:05:58

way I see it is that yeah, like Emily said, we're born whole complete.

Belinda Haan: 00:06:02

Perfect.

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And then, through life and people, and we have all these heartbreaks and

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defenses and everything that sort of cover up the truth of who we actually are.

Belinda Haan: 00:06:13

And unlike, you know, personal development talks about often is we need to add

Belinda Haan: 00:06:19

something more to ourselves, or we need to just learn this particular skill.

Belinda Haan: 00:06:23

It's really, um, like Laura said, remembering, coming back to that

Belinda Haan: 00:06:27

true nature, our essence, um, and that, that is really the journey.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:06:32

Yeah.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:06:33

I fully agree with all of you I love the way Emily brought up this

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sort of, perspective or focus on also, why did we lose ourselves?

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Like what, what kind of caused that loss?

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Because I think we have to talk about both pieces, right?

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What it means to reclaim ourselves what it feels like to reclaim ourselves,

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you know, what that journey is.

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And also what it feels like to be lost.

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Why we lose ourselves, what gets in the way.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:06:59

So I think these are really two sides of the coin that we're gonna talk a

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lot about over this podcast season.

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Because we are born whole, we, we do have that seed of our wholeness

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and our greatness and who we are inside of us from birth.

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And we're worthy from birth and, and then little by little, all these kind

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of chunks get taken away or lost.

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Are we suppress?

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Are we, we let go of, we abandon sometimes.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:07:25

Right?

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And then it's about, you know, how do we kind of pick those pieces up and when

Sonya Stattmann: 00:07:31

Laura said, you know, remembering, I think about like, yes, like member, right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:07:36

It's like that reremembering reattaching, reclaiming, re owning, the pieces of

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ourselves that we've lost along the way.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:07:44

And yeah, I think that's a really interesting piece.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:07:47

And so I kind of love to hear from the co-host like, what do

Sonya Stattmann: 00:07:51

you think has caused the loss.

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Cause I think that was a really cool kind of perspective that

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Emily kind of took us down.

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what in your life has caused you to lose a piece of yourself or maybe in people

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you've worked with and seen as well?

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Cause I think that is a really great question so that people can

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start to reorientate themselves and say, oh yeah, I really resonate.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:08:14

That happened to me too.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:08:15

Um, what were maybe some of your experiences.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:08:18

Well, I think, I think the loss can come a lot of different forms.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:08:21

I think that sometimes the loss is a capitulation to the world or our context.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:08:28

Like we give up a little piece of ourselves in order to fit in.

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And so that can be a family system that can be, a school, a classroom,

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or to win the praise of, of another person that we want to admire us.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:08:44

So sometimes it's, it's not necessarily like the heart lies.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:08:47

Belinda said like a heartbreak that, that we feel how much that takes away from us.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:08:52

So viscerally, but I think some of these losses are so subtle and we're

Emily Soccorsy: 00:08:56

willingly giving them up because we think there's a, an exchange on the

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:00

other side that will benefit from.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:03

And I also think that that just from a.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:05

evolution standpoint was true to be an outsider outside of the

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:09

tribe, uh, meant danger and meant strange men and, and, and death.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:14

Um, so I think we're hard.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:16

We're kind of hardwired to make these accommodations.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:21

And so I think that those are also like little losses along the way and maybe

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:26

losses, but also lost moments where you're like, oh, I'm wandering now.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:30

I'm wandering away from something else.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:34

those are not necessarily bad roads to take either because they

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teach you something about yourself.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:39

But yeah, sometimes we willingly, we willingly walk in and give those,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:09:44

give those pieces of ourselves away.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:09:46

Mm-hmm

Belinda Haan: 00:09:47

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:09:47

And I think, I think that.

Belinda Haan: 00:09:49

there's certain junctures where we realize we are lost as well.

Belinda Haan: 00:09:52

And, and I, I know, certainly sort of coming into the midlife, forties, just

Belinda Haan: 00:09:57

really sort of, I guess, having all the frustrations about the behaviors

Belinda Haan: 00:10:03

I'm engaging in and all of those, um, dissatisfaction and internal

Belinda Haan: 00:10:08

conflict and everything that can arise.

Belinda Haan: 00:10:10

It's sort of like a, an awakening moment to how lost.

Belinda Haan: 00:10:15

Or, or that the journey of remembering needs to happen that, that sort of

Belinda Haan: 00:10:21

different points of dissatisfaction.

Belinda Haan: 00:10:24

Cause I think that reclaiming ourselves the journey and it

Belinda Haan: 00:10:28

happens at different times.

Belinda Haan: 00:10:29

It really has to start with dissatisfaction and internal conflict

Belinda Haan: 00:10:34

and messiness and all of that.

Belinda Haan: 00:10:36

Otherwise we're not motivated to do, to do anything.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:10:40

Yeah, that's a really good point.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:10:42

Yeah.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:10:42

And I think that that collective, like you were saying, Emily, we have.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:10:47

Conditioning that occurs to learn what is acceptable.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:10:52

What's not acceptable.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:10:53

And there's moments I can think of in my life where I gave up something or

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modified myself, , became something that would be more acceptable.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:05

And it's interesting how those things can become so automatic.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:08

You don't even realize you're giving.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:11:10

Yeah.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:11

And in that moment though, you're getting something you're

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:13

getting belonging in that moment.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:15

You think I belong here because now I can fit in or, you know, let me just

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:20

speak a little quieter about this, or let me be a little louder about that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:23

I just was a chameleon, you know, I was trying to make my

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:26

way so that I would feel better.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:30

but as I have aged , and as I've stepped into more confidence as a woman in this

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:36

society as well, I've been able to look at what I gave up, what I let go, because I

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:42

thought that I was going to get something, to your point, Emily, in return, I was

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:47

gonna gain a greater sense of belonging to the community, but the cost of that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:11:53

Hmm.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:54

Became aware of it's like, okay.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:11:56

So there's a sense of belonging to my greater community, but a

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:12:00

sense of disconnection from myself.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:12:04

Something that I gave up, right.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:12:07

That was innately me.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:12:09

that I wasn't letting myself fully inhabit.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:13

and I think we're not taught as children,

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:16

at least not in my generation.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:18

We weren't taught to value our.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:22

Individual selves in the same way, right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:24

Or, to even find a self to reclaim or to, appreciate what we brought to the table.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:30

Like from such an early age, we were taught to fit in, to belong,

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:34

to carry our weight in the greater scheme of things or in the family.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:40

There wasn't the same attention on the value of you being a self.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:46

Right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:47

And, I think it's changing.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:49

I mean, I don't know, but I would love to hear kind of from all of you,

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:51

like what has been that result as you've started to reclaim yourself,

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:55

what's the result with your children?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:57

Right?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:12:57

Because I know I've brought my children up to value themselves and they still

Sonya Stattmann: 00:13:01

have plenty of indoctrination, plenty of lost moments, for themselves as they grow.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:13:08

but I've tried to instill in them that they have a self that's valuable.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:12

That's a funny journey because as, as a parent myself, I think

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:17

a lot of the reclaiming began when it became a parent, when it became a mother.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:23

I don't know about you.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:24

Maybe the emotional membrane between myself and my children is very porous,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:28

so they're going through something emotionally and there I am as well,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:33

remembering my own, my own experience, trying to support their moment in that

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:39

and in, and then in be twitched and in between all of that, finding new

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:44

meaning for myself as an individual and.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:47

As a parent learning lessons, there's a lot that's happening there.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:52

And you do.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:52

we try to give our daughters a real sense of their own

Emily Soccorsy: 00:13:56

strength and their own identity.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:14:02

But I, I think my parents did that well with me too.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:14:05

So maybe that was a gift I was carrying on.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:14:09

There's a lot to unwrap there.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:14:10

So , there's a lot.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:14:12

That's like a whole episode,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:14:14

Yes.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:14:16

Yes.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:17

Yeah, but I do think it's really fascinating when you

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:19

think about, and here in the United States that we live in a culture that

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:22

definitely supports the yearning towards you know, the individual success.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:29

It's like, there's so much focus on the individual and yet.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:35

There is very little support on like children learning, the self, learning,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:43

that emotional intelligence that somatic awareness of, of theirselves,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:48

of their body, of what they feel.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:50

And so there's this conformity that starts really early and then

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:54

it's like be an individual and you can do anything you want.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:57

And then there's all this kind.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:14:59

Disconnecting in our ways of, of being in, you know, in the classroom, don't

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:04

get me on education reform, but it's like constantly, you know, just like

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:08

sitting and ignoring the needs of the Senti sentient body like that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:12

I need to get up and I need to move and I need to, so I don't know.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:14

I'm just thinking a lot about that conflict between the culture's

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:19

fascination with individual.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:21

Achievement.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:22

And then how very little people are given encouragement in our society to learn

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:30

this self and, and to, you know, from the inside out, not accolades and, oh, I'm the

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:35

best, I'm this identity or that identity, or the best athlete, you know, over

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:15:39

the best at school, but really inside.

Belinda Haan: 00:15:42

Hmm.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:15:43

We're not even given this space, I think to learn the self, right?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:15:47

Like there's not even enough time and space to contemplate our look inwards.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:15:52

We're just kind of rushing, you know, from one thing to the next, you know, in

Sonya Stattmann: 00:15:57

terms of accolades and accomplishments.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:15:58

Right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:15:59

So I think, yeah, that's really interesting too.

Belinda Haan: 00:16:01

Hmm.

Belinda Haan: 00:16:02

Yeah.

Belinda Haan: 00:16:02

So for me, I think like Emily said, I mean, reclaiming myself has really amped

Belinda Haan: 00:16:07

up since I've become a mother because I just have such, um, so much love driving.

Belinda Haan: 00:16:14

And also so many buttons pushed about, you know, all the shadowy material and

Belinda Haan: 00:16:20

all the, the ways that, um, all the defenses and all of that sort of thing.

Belinda Haan: 00:16:24

And yet such a strong determination, I guess, to be present and compassionate

Belinda Haan: 00:16:30

and loving, and, you know, my ability to hold the kids in whatever emotion.

Belinda Haan: 00:16:36

Their experiencing has only is only helped by how much I can do that for myself.

Belinda Haan: 00:16:41

So, you know, that was pretty much nonexistent when I first

Belinda Haan: 00:16:44

started this journey 12 years ago.

Belinda Haan: 00:16:46

And now, you know, as I've done the deep dive on ho you know, holding myself

Belinda Haan: 00:16:51

in hopelessness and despair and all of that, that I can hold them in that too.

Belinda Haan: 00:16:56

And I haven't really been able, like the first five years, you know, I did my best.

Belinda Haan: 00:17:02

You know, I wasn't able to sort of hold that because I had so much inner

Belinda Haan: 00:17:05

term on myself to be able to, it was hard to meet that moment with presence.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:12

Yeah.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:13

Even having that language to, to that you just used Linda, like to

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:17

hold yourself with presence in the middle of turmoil or hopelessness.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:20

I mean, I think that's something that I, I, a new mother version of

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:25

me and my late twenties, I became a mom and my, actually my mid twenties.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:30

I mean, I just had no concept and that's that's to what you're saying, Laura too.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:34

Like, we, Somebody says something earlier about reclaiming ourselves as oftentimes

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:39

in, uh, Western culture and American culture, certainly about adding more.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:44

Right.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:44

Cuz I like to say the ego's favorite number is more and so we

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:48

have this very egoic version of.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:52

Success or achievement, and our systems steer toward that.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:17:57

And the actual sense of fulfillment that can be generated from within is the

Emily Soccorsy: 00:18:03

result of learning that language, how to identify feelings, how to identify

Emily Soccorsy: 00:18:10

breath and like the somatics of feelings.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:18:15

And would you, we just do basically none of that in an

Emily Soccorsy: 00:18:19

organized way in our cultures.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:18:22

And so, you know, I think we're left to these big moments, these big shifts

Emily Soccorsy: 00:18:26

becoming apparent to, to kind of smack us around a little bit and teach us like,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:18:31

oh, I'm lost or, oh, I have none of what I need and then to have to go find it.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:18:37

That's why the self-help, you know, I mean, I think the category of

Emily Soccorsy: 00:18:41

self-help has just grown so much, cuz there's such a hunger in the world for.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:18:46

Yeah,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:18:47

And isn't it fascinating

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:18:48

how all of us have shared that motherhood has, was such a, a moment because, you get

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:18:56

to that point where you're just the single individual and if you haven't figured it

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:01

out, then, you know, who's gonna hurt, but you kind of thing, , it's just like, you

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:06

know, oh, well, and then you have a child.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:10

and then all of a sudden, all the things that you hadn't looked at is right

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:15

there, mirrored back in this offspring.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:18

And it's just this interesting moment where you, for me personally,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:23

am more motivated to figure it out than ever before, because

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:27

I needed to understand what.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:30

Was going to be like to nourish another human being.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:34

And I had to figure out how to be with in Belinda's language, like how

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:38

to be with all of that, to be present in the midst of all the turmoil.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:43

So I, I almost felt like I had a free pass for a while of like a, I

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:48

can just tuck it in the back luggage and not worry about it until later.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:52

And then my daughter came and it was like, okay, I guess I need to figure.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:57

Out.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:19:58

So there was a moment that was some reflection in reclaiming, probably

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:20:03

the first at that level that I'd ever done also around like 26.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:20:07

Hmm.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:20:08

Mm-hmm

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:10

Yeah, it's really interesting.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:11

Right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:13

and and so, okay.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:14

So I love the way, the direction we've gone and kind of talking

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:18

about, you know, some of that, the pivotal moments, and obviously

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:21

motherhood is a big piece of that too.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:24

I, I wanna talk a little bit about what reclaiming ourselves feels like.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:29

Because I think a lot of people again, have a concept or an idea, but if

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:34

they, they, they might not know what it feels like in their body, what

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:38

it feels like in their emotions.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:40

And , one of the things I love talking about with this topic is that

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:44

oftentimes before the bliss comes in, reclaiming ourselves, the really,

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:50

really challenging feelings come first.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:52

And so, I don't know.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:20:53

What do you all think about that?

Belinda Haan: 00:20:58

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:20:58

Oh my goodness.

Belinda Haan: 00:21:01

after 35 years of completely repressing anything that wasn't pleasant and

Belinda Haan: 00:21:06

positive it was, it all sort of just started started bubbling up.

Belinda Haan: 00:21:12

And I think, um, I, there was just so much resistance to that and you

Belinda Haan: 00:21:17

know, really part of my journey of reclaiming myself is actually just

Belinda Haan: 00:21:22

really working on self-acceptance.

Belinda Haan: 00:21:26

And that's like self acceptance of my internal experience as well, and, and

Belinda Haan: 00:21:31

working somatically to create more capacity within me so that , when

Belinda Haan: 00:21:37

things are difficult, that I can, I just feel that I can handle it.

Belinda Haan: 00:21:44

. And so, you know, in terms of the difficulty that that embodied feeling

Belinda Haan: 00:21:48

of I've kind of got this, which sounds.

Belinda Haan: 00:21:51

Sounds funny to say, but just that, that sort of inner space

Belinda Haan: 00:21:55

that I can handle things.

Belinda Haan: 00:21:57

And I guess the embodied sense of okayness and wholeness that, that allows.

Belinda Haan: 00:22:05

Um, me to be able to show up for my life in a way that feels values aligned

Belinda Haan: 00:22:10

and yes, all, you know, sometimes there's, um, an anxious bunny, sometimes

Belinda Haan: 00:22:14

anxiety's there and all of the, all of the big emotions can be present.

Belinda Haan: 00:22:18

But I guess I feel like I've got more capacity and courage to be able to.

Belinda Haan: 00:22:25

Show up in the way that in the ways that I want and do the work

Belinda Haan: 00:22:28

that I want and sort of live a more true meaning and purpose life.

Belinda Haan: 00:22:32

That feels true to me.

Belinda Haan: 00:22:34

Not because I should have done something, I should be a good person or whatever.

Belinda Haan: 00:22:39

really sort of finding my way on what is true for me and being able

Belinda Haan: 00:22:42

to have the courage, I guess, to, to show up despite all of the anxiety

Belinda Haan: 00:22:47

and everything that can be present.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:22:49

Hmm.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:22:50

Yeah.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:22:50

So that's kind of what you feel like is the result, the feeling that you

Sonya Stattmann: 00:22:54

have from reclaiming parts of yourself?

Belinda Haan: 00:22:56

Yes.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:22:57

Yeah.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:22:59

How about

Sonya Stattmann: 00:22:59

everyone

Sonya Stattmann: 00:22:59

else?

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:00

Yeah, it's such a big question that I have all these

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:04

different thoughts going around and feelings in my body going around.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:08

But I think that I'd answer that by saying that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:12

For me personally, it was going through the hard emotions and sensations

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:21

going through something in which I realized that I needed more of

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:27

myself in order to move through it.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:23:31

Mm-hmm

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:32

hitting that wall and for me, it was a lot of grief.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:37

And loss that then brought up previous grief and loss.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:41

And I remember just walking the streets with one of my friends in

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:46

Toronto, we would just be like walk and talk and go get a coffee and walk.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:49

And I was having all of these thoughts about like, how am

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:53

I gonna get through this?

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:54

There, it doesn't make sense.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:56

Right.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:56

When you're in something that's so overwhelming.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:23:59

You're just like, you're trying so hard to use.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:02

The cognitive mind to fix it.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:05

And my dear friend, who's an acupuncturist and very much aware

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:09

of the, the power of the body.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:11

Just, you know, kind of looked at me and said, it's more about,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:14

yeah, how are you gonna move?

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:16

Not through it, but in.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:20

in to yourself and in, through you, you know, we can't just like

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:24

walk through it like a big cloud.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:26

And that really started my journey so much to understand what was happening

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:30

inside with my feelings and my sensations.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:33

Where did I hold this grief in my body?

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:36

Because I could talk about it and think it was gone.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:40

And then it would come back up in the middle of the night.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:44

In a knot somewhere and I couldn't breathe.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:48

And, you know, and it was like, where is that?

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:51

And that's when I realized that there was something not missing, but something I

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:24:56

wasn't remembering about my strength and what I'm capable of, what I can endure.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:05

And so reclaiming my inner.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:10

Strength and my grounding and my, um, ability to be in that, that

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:15

felt really like coming home.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:17

I mean, it's gonna sound a little cliche, but it's like, it came, it

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:20

was like that grounding and like that safety, like you come home to something

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:23

and you know, it, it smells familiar.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:27

It tastes familiar, you know, it's like, Ugh, everything about this makes sense.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:32

And that was the only way that I.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:37

Could figure out a way forward was to come back to that feeling

Sonya Stattmann: 00:25:42

and.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:25:42

myself.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:25:43

And do you feel like, , these experiences that we have, like when

Sonya Stattmann: 00:25:47

we reclaim part of ourselves, it's kind of like an anchor or a reference point.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:25:51

It's like, even when we lose ourselves again, it's like, at least we have,

Sonya Stattmann: 00:25:55

like, we can kind of feel that feeling or remember that feeling

Sonya Stattmann: 00:25:58

or, , I kind of sometimes feel like I.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:26:01

I move away and then I, oh, oh, there it is.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:26:04

There it is.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:26:04

Oh yeah.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:26:05

Okay.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:26:05

I'm here again.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:26:06

And then I move away and then I'm like, oh wait, wait, I'm here again.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:26:10

it's just like that constant journey.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:26:13

But when having some of those really pivotal pieces has definitely helped

Sonya Stattmann: 00:26:18

me re anchor myself or reclaim more, you know, the next time around.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:23

Yeah, I wanna hear you Belinda and Emily, but I'll just

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:26

add to that on my, why I said that about walking the streets in Toronto with

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:30

my friend was that that is a somatic.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:34

Memory in that moment, it felt like lightning came down from

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:39

this sky and into my body.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:41

And that became an anchor like that feeling.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:44

When I remembered myself that, that there was something more that I already had

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:49

inside of me is something to this day.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:52

That is a memory that I'm sharing that is because I felt it as,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:57

and then it became an anchor.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:26:59

Anytime I'd get completely.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:27:01

Lost.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:27:01

I'd be like, remember that feeling when I had the moment

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:27:05

of awareness and how that felt.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:27:08

And it does make it easier then when you're lost to come back to that anchor.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:14

Yeah, I think they become little touchstones.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:17

and I think so we talked about this a little bit I'll never forget the

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:20

way I felt the day my mom died.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:23

Right.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:23

I just, and sometimes I touch that, that stone.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:27

Because you get real clear on what's important.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:31

I did in any way, even though everything was complete chaos and shattered,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:37

everything was in SHS around me.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:39

And yet there was this feeling of core truth that I had no idea

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:43

how to make sense out of that, but I knew what the truth was.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:47

And I do reference that I do pick that up.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:50

And, and I'm an artist and I think visually, so I think of the journey

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:54

of self discovery, not necessarily as a beautiful path of the mountain,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:27:59

but like, as these spirals as these spirals, that kind of undulate up

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:05

and down the spiral, um, motion.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:09

And we kind of go away and come back around and figure something out.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:13

And so then the spiral's a little bit smoother.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:16

You might hit a rough shot.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:19

That's kind of how I think of the creative process as well.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:22

And I think those are all forms of creativity.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:24

Like.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:26

Taking out memories, looking at them again, understanding them

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:29

from a different vantage point.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:32

Those are all creative processes because we know from science that memories are

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:37

changed every time we, we take them out and we look at them, but there's something

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:41

about the somatic thing, remembering your body, how your body felt, where

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:45

you were on the streets in Toronto.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:48

It's so beautiful to say reclaiming ourselves that the reality of that begins.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:53

I.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:54

Belinda, you said resistance was the first word you used um, but he

Emily Soccorsy: 00:28:58

ended up at like courageous, right.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:00

But I think the majority of the time is spent in what I call like mess.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:05

And I think we've, we've all used that word mess with maybe

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:10

that deeper understanding kind of everything shattered, but

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:13

maybe there's one true thing.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:14

And maybe the one true thing is I'm gonna lay in bed all day but that's also a

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:19

way of nurturing, you know, or resting.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:22

That's okay.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:23

In the mess.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:25

So, um, yeah, I just, I see, I think the connection between the strong visual

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:31

memories of things, the body memories, and then the way we the way we experience

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:39

ourselves in reaction to that, , and immediately describing, instead of,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:44

you know, Belinda, you talk about resistance and then self acceptance.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:47

It's like, oh, I'm a mess.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:50

And then the next step not being, I'm a piece of shed because I'm a mess.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:54

The next step being well, that's pretty normal.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:57

You'd be a mess at this moment.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:29:59

Or, oh, maybe today is not a good day, you know, and being able to ascribe

Emily Soccorsy: 00:30:03

that self-compassion and so I think that's a lot of the dance of reclaiming

Emily Soccorsy: 00:30:08

ourselves is between, between those real.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:14

Yeah.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:14

And, And, I think that's so important to mention too, because we're kind

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:19

of focused on this in our society and the world, you know, it's always like

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:23

these achievements as if we're gonna keep going up and up and up and up and

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:27

just keep exponentially growing and.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:30

And that, you know, reclaiming ourselves is kind of like that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:32

Like we reclaim a piece and it feels so good.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:34

And then we reclaim another piece and it's amazing.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:35

And, and, you know, it's all kind of this sometimes perception we have that

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:41

reclaiming ourself is empowering and it is, but you know, there's also a

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:46

lot of dark nights of the soul, right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:48

It's in.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:49

Sometimes complete chaos, complete hardship, complete

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:53

darkness, complete unknowns.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:30:56

It's like through a lot of that, what shines through is ourself.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:00

And then we're able to connect with that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:03

Right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:03

You know, I think some of the.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:05

Darkest times of my life.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:07

It was like, I had no hope.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:09

I, I had no idea what I was gonna do or go, but something within me shown

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:14

through that allowed me to grab it right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:17

To go to cut beyond the chaos and.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:19

all of the noise to find myself again.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:23

And so, a lot of people are probably listening and they're

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:27

in a moment like that, right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:29

They're in challenge or chaos or exhaustion or, and thinking, gosh, I

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:33

can't even think about like reclaiming myself right now, but oftentimes it is

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:37

within the midst of all of that, that we.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:41

Find it right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:42

That it, it is an awakening.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:44

And I think that's the other piece.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:46

Like I love, the word reclaiming.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:49

It's a very action oriented word.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:52

Right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:52

It makes us feel like we're in control and empowered.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:55

I'm reclaiming myself.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:31:57

But oftentimes when we reclaim ourselves, it's not even.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:32:01

That we had an action towards it.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:32:04

Right?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:32:04

It's like it happened, we became aware.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:32:08

We recognized it's like I think sometimes much more of a surrender

Sonya Stattmann: 00:32:14

process than it is an action process.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:32:17

What do you think.

Belinda Haan: 00:32:19

I wholeheartedly agree because when I was,

Belinda Haan: 00:32:22

um, starting the journey.

Belinda Haan: 00:32:24

Of reclaiming myself.

Belinda Haan: 00:32:26

I just took my type, a kind of behaviors and just read all the books.

Belinda Haan: 00:32:30

just like, I need to fix myself.

Belinda Haan: 00:32:34

fix the crazy mess that I felt.

Belinda Haan: 00:32:36

Um, and just, I spent so much time in the mess, really judging myself for

Belinda Haan: 00:32:43

just being here and resisting that I was there and, and really con sort

Belinda Haan: 00:32:48

of feeling quite alone often because it's not really something that.

Belinda Haan: 00:32:54

Talk about this kind of dark night of the soul.

Belinda Haan: 00:32:56

And so I kind of just had this view that I was depressed and,

Belinda Haan: 00:33:00

you know, was pathologizing myself that, something wrong with me.

Belinda Haan: 00:33:04

And when I was able to really sort of feel into the deep grief or

Belinda Haan: 00:33:10

hopelessness or despair that was there, that was what once I just gave up.

Belinda Haan: 00:33:16

Just like, okay, just follow me whole, whatever this

Belinda Haan: 00:33:19

emotion is, uh, just gave up.

Belinda Haan: 00:33:21

That's when really so much light could just come through.

Belinda Haan: 00:33:26

So it was in the surrender and the allowing and the compassion that

Belinda Haan: 00:33:32

that's when the mess was able to sort of transform into insight and, and

Belinda Haan: 00:33:37

sort of inner freedom in that moment.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:33:41

Mm-hmm.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:33:42

I love that surrender process, you know, I mean that, I think that's really what

Emily Soccorsy: 00:33:46

is, and I, I think too, it's not, again, adding more, it's taking away, right.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:33:51

It's going back to something essential.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:33:53

And I think that's, that's what we've all been saying.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:33:55

And we don't, I don't know about you.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:33:58

It sounds very similar, but my first reaction is not like I wanna fight it.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:34:04

I wanna figure out I wanna fix myself.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:34:06

Right.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:34:06

And I don't, that's not that helpful actually.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:34:11

You'd think that would be helpful, but it's not that

Emily Soccorsy: 00:34:14

helpful in the surrender process.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:17

mm-hmm exactly.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:19

Cause like, what I have found is that that is my, you know, Called my golden

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:24

child, this driver self of, you know, this driver part of me is really good

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:29

at continuing to try to, she would like what you just said, Sonya about like,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:34

okay, like let's reclaim and then move up the ladder and reclaim and move up

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:39

the ladder, you know, just like this.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:41

Lovely ascent towards perfection.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:44

So I'm definitely, um, recovering perfectionist.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:48

And so that striver part is interesting because I can get confused and think that

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:34:53

it's trying to get me to some sort of self that has reached the goal, but that

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:02

strive he self is often keeping me away.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:06

From feeling what I really need to feel and stepping in to the surrender.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:14

because she doesn't like uncertainty, not the strive.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:17

She gets shit done.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:20

and she can do it well.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:22

So, so I like Belinda, you know, that reading all the books and like

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:25

figuring it out, like I'm gonna do this.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:27

You know, I really resonate with that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:29

And, and I think that it's been very helpful for me to understand how much

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:33

of the healing comes through rest.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:36

And I love that there is a movement for, um, like rest being more

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:40

of like it's the nap ministry.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:43

They have rest is a form of resistance, you know, rest, reclaiming,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:48

rest as a form of resistance.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:50

So I see rest in this culture too, as like social is part of my social

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:35:56

justice activist part too, to be like, you know what I can rest.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:36:01

And actually that will benefit me and everybody around.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:36:07

When I can give myself that space.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:36:09

So that's an interesting place.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:36:11

I spend a lot of time with my clients and within myself is that little surrender

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:36:15

versus the driver, the Energizer bunny.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:36:21

mm-hmm

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:24

I can really resonate with that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:25

I, I, I love when you, you know, Laura talk about kind of these

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:30

different parts of ourselves, right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:32

Because, you know, we do have kind of these different pieces.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:36

Right?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:36

I know that's part of like internal family systems and, , kind of this idea

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:39

that we have these different parts that sometimes are working in opposition.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:44

And, you know, I, I can really relate to that striver part cuz I

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:49

love finding out more about myself.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:51

I love reclaiming myself.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:36:53

I love, but sometimes putting that to do kind of striving mentality

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:00

on it, it does actually interfere.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:03

And it is been for me so much, reclaiming myself has actually been when I

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:06

feel like I have no choice, it's not been like a deliberate act of like.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:11

Ooh, I'm gonna choose to reclaim myself.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:13

It's actually, when I'm like, I have no choices, there's nothing I can do.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:18

It's all completely hopeless.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:20

I'm like stuck in whatever thing I'm in and then, then it appears right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:25

Or then it it's awakened or then it comes back in and I think.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:30

You know, that's a really important piece to understand, because when we

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:34

talk about this, you know, we're here, we are talking about reclaiming ourselves.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:38

You know, it's not just that we're saying, Hey, go out and

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:41

consciously reclaim yourself.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:42

Right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:42

Get in action mode and, and put it all together because that's gonna work right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:49

It's, you know, sometimes about just hearing the stories or resonating

Sonya Stattmann: 00:37:55

with, with the experiences of other people or ourselves, right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:38:00

Remembering that it's a surrender process, you know, or that we have to

Sonya Stattmann: 00:38:05

often let go in order to find ourselves, you know, I think that's a really point.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:11

Yeah, absolutely.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:13

And I think that sometimes, you know, it's like I was talking about

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:15

like how the culture can create.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:19

Tendencies for us to conform.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:21

But then the other side, of course, is that when community creates the

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:26

space for you to surrender, I was thinking about that about like my

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:31

friendships and especially circles of women that have held space for

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:36

me to be able to do this like that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:39

It, it, I wanna name that it's a individual night of the soul,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:44

but if you're able to find.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:48

Others that are going through similar things and hold space for each other.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:55

It's a game changer.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:38:56

And that's what I was so fortunate to find as a single mom when I met youth Ona.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:39:01

And so it's just been more and more experiences where I've been able to S

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:39:06

render because I did have a community to like, circle up around me so that I

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:39:13

can be that vulnerable in the middle.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:16

I think that's an excellent, excellent point, Laura.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:19

At some point, to share your story, I mean, there's so much power.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:23

What we're talking about is really being able to share a story.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:26

Both to ourselves in a real way, but then you can have people around

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:30

you that can hold your story and then share their stories too.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:35

The power of that community in the process of healing, which is also

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:39

reclaiming is just exponential.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:43

Like you can process so much more.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:46

in that sort of venue and it's a place.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:49

Yeah.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:49

I think we've talked about a, wanting to have that nice little neat ladder up.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:55

But really it's like that.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:39:57

One of the things I know I avoid is that sense of vulnerability

Emily Soccorsy: 00:40:00

that comes along with storytelling.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:40:02

That's required to get to that next loop around the, the spiral.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:40:08

I think the power of the community makes that I don't wanna use the word easier

Emily Soccorsy: 00:40:13

because it's never easy to be vulnerable.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:40:16

but it eases it a little, makes it a bit, a bit more comfortable.

Belinda Haan: 00:40:22

Oh, gosh.

Belinda Haan: 00:40:22

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:40:23

I there's so many things I wanna say here, because I just

Belinda Haan: 00:40:25

love women's circles so much.

Belinda Haan: 00:40:28

And I think power of, like you said, Emily, being able to share what's present,

Belinda Haan: 00:40:34

you know, even if it feels socially unacceptable in a really sacred, safe,

Belinda Haan: 00:40:40

to be able to do that is in itself just an act of courage and transformation,

Belinda Haan: 00:40:45

and also to be held in unconditional love and compassion in that space.

Belinda Haan: 00:40:51

And then also hearing the stories of others, which are, are also your stories

Belinda Haan: 00:40:56

and your stories are their stories.

Belinda Haan: 00:40:58

And you realize that you're not alone, that we are all connected.

Belinda Haan: 00:41:03

we share.

Belinda Haan: 00:41:03

this wild ride together.

Belinda Haan: 00:41:05

And I think it's an to shame because without telling those sh those

Belinda Haan: 00:41:09

stories, we just kind of just get stuck in this place of feeling like

Belinda Haan: 00:41:13

there's something wrong with me.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:41:14

Mm-hmm

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:16

And, you know, and I would say that, you know, for anybody

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:18

listening to this, if you don't have that circle of friends, like, we are

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:23

here holding space for you, right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:24

And, hopefully our stories and our perspectives help you

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:28

feel a little bit less alone.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:30

Cuz sometimes it can be hard to find those circles, but they're out there.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:35

There's lots of people who can safely hold space for you you're worthy of that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:42

okay.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:42

So want to ask a little bit about.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:47

You know, we're talking about reclaiming ourselves and obviously this process,

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:53

like sometimes it's not something we feel like we have control over, or, it kind

Sonya Stattmann: 00:41:58

of happens at these moments that we don't expect it, but I, I wanna talk about,

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:02

I recently I was reading Brene brown.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:06

And I, you know, I love her books and she talks about authenticity

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:09

and authenticity to me is very related to reclaiming ourselves.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:13

Right?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:13

It's about, being more of who we are reclaiming, those parts that we've

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:17

lost and she kind of defines it.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:20

It authenticity as like this daily practice.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:25

Of letting go of who we think we're supposed to be and embracing who we are.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:31

And I really resonated with that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:33

And I really love this idea of like, , it's a choice, right?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:36

It's a daily practice.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:37

So even though we may not be able to control the situation and

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:41

sometimes it's surrendering and it's not always this active process.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:45

What do you all think about the idea that reclaiming ourselves

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:49

is a daily practice, right?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:52

It.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:53

It is something we can put attention towards and on, and, I don't know.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:58

What is your experience with that?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:42:59

What are your thoughts about that?

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:04

Yes, darn it.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:07

Dad, Don, I don't wanna say yes.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:10

I, you know, he is still attached to the idea.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:14

It'll be some Mo peeking of light and then it's.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:17

but yes, as you were talking about that, I'm like, oh, that

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:20

was my problem this morning.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:23

I didn't, I was still attached to who I wanted to be perceived as, and, you

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:29

know, uh, that's what I should have done.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:32

It might have made my day a little bit easier.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:43:35

so that's what I say yes to that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:43:39

Well, and, and that's the thing, it's a practice, right?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:43:41

So like with any practice we forget, we lose it.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:43:45

We, we don't practice it for a period of time, but we can always practice it again.

Belinda Haan: 00:43:51

Mm.

Belinda Haan: 00:43:52

Yeah.

Belinda Haan: 00:43:53

So I think that for me, you know, as, as I've grown in awareness in a way.

Belinda Haan: 00:43:59

That has been more fuel for the inner critic, you know, oh, why

Belinda Haan: 00:44:03

am I not doing these things that I know are part of my, you know,

Belinda Haan: 00:44:07

aspirational, self or, or whatever.

Belinda Haan: 00:44:11

so I, for me, it's every day, being able to grow in compassion for how I'm showing.

Belinda Haan: 00:44:22

If that's aligned or not . And, and that, that has been because, you know, it's just

Belinda Haan: 00:44:28

a process of forgetting and remembering we get triggered and, you know, we

Belinda Haan: 00:44:32

are, we are unlike the person that we really want to be it's in that moment.

Belinda Haan: 00:44:37

That is the everyday practice for me,

Belinda Haan: 00:44:39

because I've got, I've got a lot of clarity and sort of embodied

Belinda Haan: 00:44:45

values about how I wanna show up.

Belinda Haan: 00:44:48

And my journey for reclaiming myself has really.

Belinda Haan: 00:44:51

Ultimately been about how I'm treating myself as I'm showing up.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:44:55

Mm, I love that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:44:57

That that's a piece of reclaiming ourselves, right?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:45:00

It's not just the, the, the, oh, here I am.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:45:03

I'm whole or here.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:45:04

I'm awesome.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:45:05

But it's just having self-compassion wherever we're at in the process.

Belinda Haan: 00:45:10

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:45:11

And just being able to meet our humanness because there is no

Belinda Haan: 00:45:16

end goal where, oh, trust me.

Belinda Haan: 00:45:18

I've been looking where I'm just like this Zen

Sonya Stattmann: 00:45:23

reclaim self.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:45:24

Like

Belinda Haan: 00:45:27

I have looked I've searched the world.

Belinda Haan: 00:45:29

Trust me.

Belinda Haan: 00:45:31

And, and really it's.

Belinda Haan: 00:45:33

So that's been all sort of fuel for the aspirational self, but really

Belinda Haan: 00:45:37

for me, it is about how I'm treating myself as I'm navigating life.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:45:44

Mm, I love that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:45:46

Yeah, I love this through line of self-compassion,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:45:49

you know, just, and how.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:45:51

Thing.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:45:51

When I think of it as a practice, to your point, Sonya is like, it's

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:45:55

not this perfect static it place.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:45:58

It's this every day.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:00

And then it's something very nice about, oh, I could start over today.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:05

Like I wasn't, as I wasn't very authentic yesterday, I was like in betrayal

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:11

of those aspects of myself or afraid to be vulnerable or and every day is

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:16

a new invitation, a new opportunity to be like, What is it like today to

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:20

reclaim, you know, or to return I'm.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:23

So I'm in this moment too, feeling so grateful.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:26

I've told my clients, this is that, one of the things about being a therapist,

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:30

it's such a beautiful practice in grounding myself in preparation

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:36

for the work I do with my clients.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:38

And so it's been a lifelong.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:42

20 plus years of learning how to do that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:44

And I can really feel the difference in this part of my life, like versus when

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:51

I was first learning to be able to sit inside of myself and be with self in

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:46:57

order to tune and attune to someone else.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:00

And now I realize, oh, what a gift?

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:03

That every day I get this invitation again, to.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:08

With others, because then that reminds me like, oh, okay.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:12

Yeah.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:13

Where am I?

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:13

Cuz I'm doing the checking in, you know?

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:15

And then it's like, oh yep.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:17

I need more rest.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:18

Or I need more food or I just, or I need a break soon.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:23

And so I'm feeling grateful for that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:25

And they say, you teach what you're here to learn.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:28

So I'm definitely teaching presence.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:47:32

and being compassionate every day so that I can learn that for.

Belinda Haan: 00:47:38

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:47:39

I love that Laura and that sort of reminds me that, , part of the point of

Belinda Haan: 00:47:43

this journey is, you know, authentic, beautiful connections with people.

Belinda Haan: 00:47:50

so it's an individual and personal journey, but ultimately it has

Belinda Haan: 00:47:53

an external impact positively.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:47:56

it does.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:47:57

Yeah.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:47:59

And so maybe to wrap up, you know, cuz we could talk all day, but maybe

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:03

to wrap up for this episode, what is.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:07

For you kind of the personal reason or the benefit or what you've seen is

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:13

the experience of reclaiming yourself.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:15

Like what has that created in your life or your work or in your

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:19

connections or in your family?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:22

You know, because sometimes we can shy away from this process.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:26

And, Why is it worth going through it?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:29

what are kind of the, the benefits?

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:31

I think that's a great kind of last wrap up question.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:48:35

What, what is your experience, everyone?

Emily Soccorsy: 00:48:38

I think the, the benefit of it is less division within myself.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:48:44

we talked in the very beginning about like, what, why do we

Emily Soccorsy: 00:48:46

need to reclaim ourselves?

Emily Soccorsy: 00:48:48

And we talked about being lost and time we, we thread something together

Emily Soccorsy: 00:48:53

there's like a, a coming together.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:48:56

And that means that I don't, you know, it's like that WBI Sabi,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:00

it's the gold in the, fracture.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:03

And now there's not just healing, but like a bridge between

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:07

the different parts of self.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:09

And that, that sounds very esoteric and poetic.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:13

Maybe a little But the actual tangible benefit of that is that I do work.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:20

I love,

Sonya Stattmann: 00:49:20

Mm-hmm.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:21

I don't have people in my life.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:24

that I don't resonate with because I've learned that lesson of like,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:29

I'm not for everyone and that's okay.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:33

So it sort of healed.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:34

So it, it comes, it is sort of esoteric, but it comes out.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:39

The end result is just a little bit more harmony at the places where

Emily Soccorsy: 00:49:44

there was, was a lot of brokenness.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:49:47

Hmm.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:49:48

I love that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:49:48

That's really good, Emily.

Belinda Haan: 00:49:50

that really resonates with me as well, because I felt just

Belinda Haan: 00:49:53

so internally broken and now I don't . And so when you're feeling that way,

Belinda Haan: 00:50:00

obviously there's just so many flow and effects to your behaviors, your,

Belinda Haan: 00:50:04

you know, actions, your ability to live your own life versus people pleasing.

Belinda Haan: 00:50:09

And all of that is just so many levels that, that Sort of works works

Belinda Haan: 00:50:13

towards, but really, you know, I remember just this inner voice just

Belinda Haan: 00:50:17

saying I wanna be free to be me.

Belinda Haan: 00:50:19

And that, that is what I feel like, you know, I'm not fully free.

Belinda Haan: 00:50:23

Of course it's a journey of a lifetime, but I'm feeling much more inner freedom

Belinda Haan: 00:50:28

to be able to sort of show up as I, as I wanna do, instead of constantly thinking

Belinda Haan: 00:50:33

about whether other people are gonna like me and all of those kind of things that

Belinda Haan: 00:50:36

were really driving, driving my behavior.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:50:39

Yes.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:50:40

Yes.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:50:40

I can definitely resonate with that.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:50:43

Like the, The connection that you're saying Emily to

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:50:45

coming back into connection.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:50:48

I think for me, there's this deepening of trust.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:50:52

Hmm.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:50:53

I

Sonya Stattmann: 00:50:53

Mmm.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:50:54

to trusting myself

Sonya Stattmann: 00:50:57

Mm-hmm

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:50:58

and the more that I reclaim the deeper, the

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:51:02

trust and what that means is less.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:51:08

Holding back, less fear, less trepidation, uh, less focus on like, oh, the things

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:51:14

that are happening out here and just being like, okay, I can trust myself

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:51:17

to be with whatever is happening.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:51:20

And then that has a beautiful impact on trusting others and trusting the world.

Belinda Haan: 00:51:26

Hmm, beautiful

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:28

Yeah, I could feel that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:31

It is.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:31

I love it.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:32

I love everything you all said.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:34

And you know, I would probably just add that the more I've reclaimed

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:38

myself, the more at peace I am, right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:41

Like in myself and in the world.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:44

And it's such a relief,

Belinda Haan: 00:51:47

Yes.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:48

piece is such a relief.

Belinda Haan: 00:51:50

I think relief is a really wonderful word and

Belinda Haan: 00:51:53

that is definitely, yeah, just resonates deeply with me as well.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:51:58

Yeah.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:59

All right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:51:59

Well, I have truly, it is just such an honor to be here with all of

Sonya Stattmann: 00:52:02

you, both co-hosts and listeners.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:52:05

And so thank you all for being here.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:52:08

Any last words you wanna say before we wrap up,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:11

I love the Belinda used the term and I saw in my

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:15

mind's eye anxious bunny link.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:17

I think it's so cute.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:18

And I'm gonna draw a picture of that.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:21

send it.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:52:22

I love that

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:23

It's

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:52:23

We may have a bunny.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:25

loving the parts of ourselves that

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:27

we might be mean about, you know?

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:29

So just, Yeah.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:31

that really stuck with me.

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:32

So just wanna say that to our listeners, like, if there's a part of you,

Emily Soccorsy: 00:52:35

they're struggling with just turn.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:52:37

Make it a bunny.

Belinda Haan: 00:52:39

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:52:42

I love that.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:52:43

I love that too.

Laura Shook-Guzman: 00:52:45

That.

Belinda Haan: 00:52:48

Yes.

Belinda Haan: 00:52:50

Oh, beautiful.

Belinda Haan: 00:52:51

And I think trust yeah.

Belinda Haan: 00:52:52

What you were saying, Laura, that just, yeah, absolutely sums it.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:52:56

All right.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:52:56

Well, thank you all for listening and we will see you next week.

Sonya Stattmann: 00:53:01

I hope you enjoyed this week's episode of reclaiming ourselves, looking

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for a speaker for your organization, or wanna dive deeper into the

Sonya Stattmann: 00:53:08

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And thanks for listening.